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On the steps of St Paul'sPhilippa

By Philippa Kerr
 
A masked man, a clergyman, a union rep and a pierced lady – sounds like the beginning of a joke!
 
Yesterday I had a couple of hours to spare in London so I went along to St Paul’s to see if I could get some sort of feel about what’s going on. Whatever it is, it’s no joke.
 
I stood and watched a bit; I walked and listened at bit. Since then I’ve thought and prayed a bit and I’m still quite baffled.
 
There was a lady from somewhere in South America giving an interview to a Spanish news crew in English. She was telling them that materialism was not the way of Christ, that the poor need looking after. All clear so far until she started, rather alarmingly, repeatedly shouting ‘Aviva’(I think) to someone or somewhere in Chile and after that the message was less clear.
 
The masked man was holding forth to news crews – I was told that some people didn’t want to show their faces because of fears of police reprisal.
 
I spoke to the clergyman who said he was delighted the church authorities seemed to be ‘getting the message’ at last. He apparently had been in the makeshift camp every day and was trying to be something of a go-between. I asked him if there was a common thread in the desire of this very mixed temporary community and he talked about rich bankers, the Establishment, and, bizarrely, a Jewish man who looked and dressed like a banker but wasn’t one – he apparently posed as such to bring out the irony of the bankers’ ‘indefensible position’. This man joined us for a while – he certainly looked like an Establishment figure but said he couldn’t talk much as he needed to get home to his family.
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I asked the clergyman if he thought our national problems might be ‘in the heart of man’ and he agreed but felt that a useful dialogue might be found though the means of this and other protests. A lady who had joined the discussion said that it was a Utopian dream that she and others had followed before in the Peace Camps. Also in our little group was a young Canadian man, well dressed and clearly educated, he was running a blog and doing some reporting for ‘back home’. He was clearly in support of the protest but confessed that ‘as a reporter’ he really wanted something to happen, apparently even if it might be ‘the water canons’.
 
There’s a tent for first aid with volunteers from mainstream and complementary disciplines. A ‘university tent’ offering al fresco lectures or debates on a wide range of ‘alternative’ subjects – some rather ‘wacky’ (at least in title), others thoughtful, others very ‘new age’. Bit like the campers really.
 
I listened for a while to the union rep then moved on to a Caribbean man who was explaining that he didn’t believe in global warming; that the planet was able to ‘heal itself’ and had done so for years ‘like a snake shedding a skin it doesn’t need any more’.   He said that ‘carbon taxes’ were a ruse on the part of government to raise more money to spy on us. He had quite a following and the debate was intense, with a few laughs about his ‘conspiracy theories’.
 
The police (not very many) looked bored and vigilant at the same time. I think the questions coming from (mostly foreign) tourists were hard to handle, and the requested photo-shoot opportunities seemed an unwelcome diversion. They were very polite but distant. The tourists got the message and moved on quickly. A helicopter circled constantly.
 
As dusk fell the guitars and fags came out and the ‘campers’ began to group happily, it was an impossibly glorious evening – the first day of November!
 
If there is a common thread, it seemed that all concerned were not happy with the status quo in our land and wanted to say so.
 
It’s left me with a lot of thoughts (and not much clarity).
Nationally:
What happens if you tear down but don’t know how or what to build?
What happens if the rule of law breaks down?
What happens if you apply a political ‘solution’ to a spiritual question?
Locally:
What is being ignored and shouldn’t be?
 
We all know how much easier it is to break down than to build (I’ve got the builders in at the moment!). I’ve often thought how much easier it is to have compassion for or be angry with those who are at a distance – less involvement is needed.
 
Answers on a postcard……!

 

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The Revd Matthew Firth (Guest)02/11/2011 16:15
I think this experiential reflection is really useful Philippa.

As I've watched the news reports about this, my thoughts on it have crystalised into three areas. Firstly, there is the legal issue. I think the cathedral authorities should have been quick to make a statement along the lines of 'while we absolutely support the right to protest, and while we want to engage with this issue, we are not sure about the legalities involved. So we are going to seek legal advice as to whether such a protest camp is or is not a legal action, within an understanding of the law as being there to ensure justice for all.' - i.e. 'we want to engage with you on this, but we want to make sure that such a camp is not an infringement of the rights of visitors, tourists, workers, the cathedral itself etc etc.'

Secondly, there is the issue itself. St Paul's does a good job at engaging with such issues already, through the St Paul's Institute. But this camp has intensified and focussed the spotlight on what the Church says about the ethics of economics. What do we say? Should we speak for or against capitalism? I somehow think that the Kingdom of God transcends this issue of left versus right: there are parables of the Kingdom which speak very positively about investment and enterprise, and at the same time the New Testament speaks in favour of the poor...it's as if the Kingdom can creatively embrace and redeem all sorts of things and hold them in unity: maybe the Kingdom can hold together concern for the poor AND the creativity of enterprise, investment and entrepreneurship.

Thirdly, there is the issue of a society that desperately wants something to believe in, but doesn't want to believe in anything that seems to be pushed by authority, and yet it doesn't know what to believe in! So we have a protest about capitalism, but who says they're right? How do they know they're right? Who decides, when there are so many perfectly logical options?...and this leads on to a whole host of other issues: do we really believe the things we think we believe? e.g. we believe we are a tolerant society, and yet in general we don't tolerate those who are intolerant (e.g. we tolerate all opinions except the opinion that says there is one truth)...so are we tolerant or not? We are both very liberal ('gay marriage' is supported by all political parties) and very illiberal (adoptive parents are vetted about what they will teach their adoptive children about sexuality). So what are we, liberal or illiberal? And if we don't know what we are, can can we possibly make decisions and laws that we can really believe in and own?

In short, this whole issue of the protest outside St Paul's has sparked off, for me, many thoughts about how our country is increasingly adrift of any moral, ethical and spiritual framework which allows us to take a problem and work out a solution that we are confident with. But this is also a great opportunity for the Church to simply say, 'Look, we don't have an easy solution to the economic problems that we all face, but here is Jesus: look at the way he lived; look at his passions and priorities; look at his life; try him out for size. Put on his way of life and see if it works. Act as if you believe in him, and see how it goes...

Please treat the above as stream-of-thought ramblings from someone who is as perplexed by the current situation as the next man, but who is also certain that the life of Jesus and the Kingdom of God is the moral compass that we all need to be re-discovering.
Alan Fisher03/11/2011 10:38
Many thanks Philippa and Matthew for some really thought provoking comments. This issue seems to have caused many to ask some fundamental questions, both about the state of our nation and the role of the church today.

I was born a year before the end of the war (WW2 that is!) and it is certainly true that the world I grew up in was very different to today's. For a start most people had very little in the way of material goods - basically the country was bankrupt and exhausted after five years of conflict - but there was at that time a real desire to build a better world; witness the idealism of the NHS when it started.

I think what went wrong is simply a demonstration that material prosperity alone doesn't bring contentment. During the 70s onwards we all bought into a lie, that having more and more of what we want will make us happy, and the result is actually great unhappiness for many people.

Recent analysis has suggested that beyond a certain level of income (around 10-15k $ per capita per annum) more wealth has only a marginal effect on a person’s actual well being. But inequality between the richest and poorest within a society seems to have a more significant impact. See the various charts published by the Equality Trust in support of this http://www.equalitytrust.org.uk/

There are also numerous statistics that indicate we are in trouble as a nation. Here are a few:-
o Ten times more people suffer from major depression now than in 1945
o More than 35% of people now live alone, to a large extent as a result of family breakdown
o The UK has the highest rate of alcohol and drug related problems in Europe
o We also have the highest rate of teenage pregnancy in Europe
o The Government is currently borrowing £6 per day for every man woman and child in the country (increase in national debt last year was £357m a day)
o 4 in 10 adults are worried about debt (mostly their credit cards)

I believe we need some prophets for today who can clearly point up where things have gone wrong, and then refer people back to that external source of real wisdom we know in Christ. I note that Jonathan Sachs has gone some way to address the former in his various articles and papers, but of course he has only part of the answer.

Wild Haggis (Guest)13/11/2011 17:10
Reading the above and some comments. Firstly well done Phillipa for going to St Pauls.

As far as I'm concerned Jesus & the OT prophets were biased towards the poor not the rich. We have hugely rich people not sharing with the poor. Demos aren't ideal, but with politicians cosying up to the rich someone has got to say something. Sitting in our comfy pews isn't going to do it.What excactly is St Paul's Institute doing to solve the problems of the rich v poor in our society - other than talking among themselves? At least the demos are in the media. What happened to the free society that our soldiers fought for if we can't have a peacful demo?

All the talk of H&S by St Paul's was plain hogswash and did the CofE, through St Pauls, huge damage in the public eye. That is going to be very difficult to repair.What is more important a building or people? St Paul's look absolute fools on their moaning about a peaceful demo. Tourists and their income seem more important that doing what the Bible said and standing up for equality and the poor.

When we lived in London we used to go to Evensong at St Paul's but stopped when they started charging for visits to the Cathedral. Then Evensong was used by busloads of tourists to come in and chatter and watch, not worship, as they didn't have to pay at a service. Is this what a Cathedral is for? We went to Southwark where we could worship without chattering Japanese and German tourists all around us.St Paul's is first and foremost a church and should behave as such, not just a tourst attraction.

We live in a greedy society - dare I say it - even Christians. I have heard some Christians say that if you believe in Jesus your financial problems will be solved. Tell that to the Christians I worked with in Guinea Bissau & Senegal. Tell that to Christians I have worked with in east London. It's belief plus action for the poor, not just belief that will change things. Jesus didn't say sit pretty and believe and everything will be fine.

Alan what on earth were you going on about 10-15K$ per annum being a living wage? Have you ever tried living on £10-15k, never mind dollars? You certainly can't live on that adequately in Ipswich, never mind London,. Come off it. If you are going to quote research make sure it is relevent to Britain and up to date. My son, who works in the theatre can't rent a flat in London by himself nor can he get a mortgage on his wages of much more than that! I know a second year teacher, married with 2 very young children, living in this area,who is out of his mind trying to think how they can pay the mortgage as his wife is at home looking after the children. What planet are you on. Please get real. 10-15k$ as a living wage is ................ better not say what I think about that. It'll be a naughty word! Earning that, you will only have enough to be living in a cardboard box in the street without help from the Government/Council - and the Government are cutting that!

Thank goodness for the Umbrella Trust, Emmaus and the Night Shelter Project. Some Christians are paying attention to what Jesus aid. But what about the families not on a living wage or facing redundancy while the rich jet off around the world? Who's side are you on?

That's why Christians standing up and complaining about injustice is so important. Instead of asking where the OT prophets are maybe we should be looking in our bathroom mirrors and then getting on out there and joining the demos when and where we can.

We all know where things have gone wrong so let's do somethinga bout it! Not just moan where are the prophets!

Live frugaly and give away what you can to the needy.What did Jesus say about rich men?
Alan Fisher14/11/2011 11:48
I’m sorry, I obviously didn’t make it clear. The statistics referred to were taken from a comparison of national income per person drawn from countries across the world, and the figures only make sense in that context. Obviously 10-15k $p.a. is completely inadequate as a living wage in the UK.

The main point of the work, however, was to show that the wide, and often widening, discrepancies between rich and poor seen in some countries (notably the US and UK) are actually having a worsening effect on the wellbeing of people overall, compared with more equal societies.

As far as our Christian mission in all this is concerned, I am encouraged by all that is happening in Ipswich at the moment - essentially springing up from grass roots initiatives. Over the last couple of weeks alone we have posted stories on Network Ipswich about three new social action projects based in the town, all of which are receiving wide support.