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The Spectre of Fundamentalism

JamesKnight300Regular Network Ipswich columnist James Knight writes about his concern over the increase of creationist fundamentalism.

 


 

I’m taking a break from my series on Hell to talk about another kind of ‘hell’ – fundamentalism – something that has been getting me down for a while – the nonsense of anti-science Christianity.  I never thought I'd see the day, but I was shocked to notice that Richard Dawkins actually made an appearance on Revelation TV...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDmlMTG7QBQ

I wasn’t impressed at all; to me it was the worst of both worlds; a very naive creationist who thinks that it's either evolution or Christianity, and a philosophically poor atheist who said (in the first few minutes) that the creationists are more reasonable because they see the real dichotomy between Christianity and evolution, and that it's actually the theistic evolutionists who are most irrational (yes amazingly Dawkins said that).

That Richard Dawkins can fail to conceptualise a Christianity which involves evolution shows him up for the limited thinker he really is! The nonsense of this YouTube video doesn't fill me with much hope regarding the future of sensible faith-based thinking. If anything, I fear fundamentalism is on the rise in the UK.

 

NEWSFLASH: The "Richard Dawkins actually made an appearance on Revelation TV..." link I gave now takes us to a message saying the YouTube clip has been removed due to 'Copyright' restrictions! Could it be that Revelation TV was so embarrassed by Howard the creationist's performance that they had it removed under a false pretext? Mind you Tricky Dicky was similarly embarrassing so for all I know the atheists may have sought its removal from YouTube too.

Oh, and JUST IN: One wonders whether what Howard refers to as the 'Creationist Intellectuals' will step up and accept Richard Dawkins’ offer to have a debate with them on Revelation TV!

 

On a less frivolous note; I just wanted to say a bit about church life in the UK – the surrounding culture means that I'm having a bit of a struggle when I look at church life at the moment.  I echo the sentiments that church is the people of Christ, not the bricks and mortar, so in that sense I am in regular contact with The Body because I frequently socialise with Christians. But I find my radar is up against leaders trying to control others, homogeneity, fundamentalism, hellfire preachers, etc, and I’m afraid I am endowed with (Blessed? Cursed?) an acute perception of it which makes these things easily noticeable.

EarthFromSpaceSomething is happening to the church scene in the UK, and unless I find a solution to satisfy my own hopes, I can see myself cutting quite a solitary figure in the immediate future. I suppose the Church of England is going to continue to dwindle in numbers in the UK, with the real future of Christian growth taken on by EPC Christianity (that’s Evangelical, Pentecostal, Charismatic). Given the positions EPCs hold, that suggests to me a furtherance of the many things I dislike: creationism, patriarchalism, fideism, right-brained animation, and degrees of fundamentalism. If that is to be the only kind of Christianity that successfully propagates itself in the UK then it seems my own personal frustrations in church being unable to engage in deep theoretics are likely to increase, and I have a few equally solitary friends who feel the same.

The natural state of affairs of EPC church is to embellish basic Christianity with what I find to be quite stultifying anti-intellectual swooning-based piety – and they compound the problem by spiritually mandating this methodology, hoping to make the church congregation homogenous carbon copies of the Pastors. I think I have a twofold problem. Firstly, if my experience is anything to go by, then your average even moderate EPC church won't be very interested in the sort of work/thinking in which I engage daily, particularly if that work suggests a review of the status quo mindset and a search for the grand answers to the nature of reality!

Often when one challenges extremism one gets really ignorant and stupid responses back. Secondly, (and this is a corollary of my first point) if one has a need for a Christian social outlet that caters for the deep interest and fulfilment in thinking and theorising then one will have difficulty finding that in the sort of churches that are growing in the UK – which, unless one is lucky enough to find an in-between state, generally reduces one’s options to small, elderly congregations that are analytically healthy but stagnant in growth or outreach, or EPC churches which have all the decorative components, but often lack an intellectual insight.


Are we going to be brave and honest and admit that there are numerous church leaders who week by week deliver appallingly mundane sermons on spiritual church-based stuff, expecting that enthusiastic cacophonies of delivery make very banal repetitions more interesting, appended with unremitting clauses that all but spiritually mandate their views about science and philosophy – what I call in shorthand “My way or the wrong way” Christianity.

 

The sad truth is, my friends, the way the church has shaped itself means that for a great many people, to be Christian one must find oneself conforming to the ideas, thoughts and belief systems of past Christians, good and bad.  Instead what I think people should do (because they owe it to themselves and to those unborn in the future) is set the mind on an exploratory endeavour whereby one filters out the good ideas from the bad – and much of that involves looking for two things – 1) where people have muddied the gospel for self-serving purposes or for controlling others, and 2) where people have added superfluous interpretations and made doctrines out of them.

Both these warnings ought to come with a serious reminder; any information, whether good or bad or correct or incorrect, is very easily passed down from parent to child, church elder to congregation member, peer to peer, and so on, without very much critical analysis or philosophical questioning. Most people do not spend much time subjecting knowledge or information to serious scrutiny – they prefer to be led and influenced by those who claim to know best. Sadly those who claim to know best are often the most influential in fundamentalist Christianity, because those who claim to know best are often the most loquacious, loudest and most domineering in the particular group, or church, or town, or village, or (heaven forbid!) city or country.

Consequently once one peels off the layers, one finds that most people are a patchwork of sound-bytes and snippets of knowledge that are like unconnected dots awaiting connection to form a pictorial whole – they’ve no idea how to formulate a coherent rationale with which to weed out the nonsense/fundamentalism from the good, because their ideas are only stored as sound-bytes and snippets of knowledge – they are not connected to the corresponding interpretative components that bring either clarity, elaboration or falsification.

In the pub on Friday night one member of the group blurted out that while Jesus loves him, He only likes me because I subscribe to evolution. He then suggested rhetorically (and dismissively); would I have preferred it if God had waited until the time of Darwin before giving us the Bible? Most creationists can only see in black and white – but it seems some of the more facile ‘brothers’ can only see in black!!

 

My main worry is that if the only proliferation of churches in the UK are EPC churches, then that would suggest an imminent rise in creationist fundamentalism in the foreseeable future too.  Has the ghost of Galileo taught us nothing (see here and here for further warnings)?

 


 

The views carried here are those of the author, not of Network Ipswich, and are intended to stimulate constructive debate between website users. We welcome your thoughts and comments, posted below, upon the ideas expressed here. You can also contact the author direct at james.knight@norfolk.gov.uk  

James is a Norwich local government officer, author and Proclaimers church member in Norwich.
Meanwhile, if you want to find out more about Christianity, visit: www.rejesus.co.uk

 


Reproduced from the Network Norwich and Norfolk web site. Used with permission.
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Thomas Newton (Guest)24/03/2011 12:47
Thanks for this interesting piece. I wonder if you might have short changed Brother Dawkins here though, I quote...

“…and a philosophically poor atheist who said (in the first few minutes) that the creationists are more reasonable because they see the real dichotomy between Christianity and evolution, and that it's actually the theistic evolutionists who are most irrational (yes amazingly Dawkins said that)…

…That Richard Dawkins can fail to conceptualise a Christianity which involves evolution shows him up for the limited thinker he really is!”

I notice in the article you don’t actually show how your understanding of Christianity deals with the problem of evolution.

When you say you subscribe to evolution, are you including “by natural selection” I wonder…

If you are saying that God works using evolution without Natural Selection then surely all you are doing is proposing a different form of Creationism, one that doesn’t progress much further than the genesis story in that it still lacks evidential support for god’s agency.

If you do support ‘Evolution by Natural Selection’ then there is no need to propose that God had anything to do with it (except by “lighting the blue touch paper and standing well back”).

It would be helpful to see in which camp you stand.

This is by no means the only problem created by Evolution, I’d like to highlight a few points where I would seek the clarification of your “philosophically superior” position:

If we are ‘created in the image of God’ then what is God? An amoeba? An Amphibian? A small rodent? A Chimp? A Human? Does God evolve as we do?

How can this aphorism be anything other than wishful thinking?

2: Since you believe God created man through the means of Evolution, and not the Genesis fable of Adam and Eve, where do you place ‘The Fall’? In other words, at what point did ‘Sin’ become realised?

3: How can our actions, especially in ‘rebelling against God’, possibly influence our genetic make up and result in creating heritable ‘Sin’?

4: If ‘Sin’ is genetically inherited how can it possibly be our fault?

5: How does the death of a God possibly atone for a Genetically Inherited disorder?

6: Many Creatures express behaviour which we might well associate with ‘Sin’ – for example: Stealing, Guilt, Wilful Violence, Sexual Immorality, etc. Are animals subject to Sin too? Does Jesus death atone for them too?

I can fully understand why Brother Dawkins can suggest that Christians who embrace evolution are less rational than the standard biblical inerrantist. To them it’s simple (despite the evidence to the contrary of course). But, for the Christian Evolutionists, a whole new can of worms is opened up.

I’d love to hear a debate on this too, but my guess is it will be a long time coming – but if you’d like to explain (rather than simply assert) where Dawkins is so “philosophically poor” that would e a good start.

Terence Cooper (Guest)28/03/2011 11:05
Thanks, James, for your article. To a large extent it maps what I have felt for a long time.

I have an engineering and science background, and so I take the view that the scientific method has a lot to commend it. Hypotheses are created from empirical data (data obtained by observation). Having been created they cannot be proved - but they are then subject to the onslaught of further observation with the result that the hypotheses may be disproved of modified. When Dawkins says that evolution is a fact he knows that what he really means is that evolution has survived the onslaught of scientific work for many years and still stands. Contrast that with Newton's work which Einstein showed to be inadequate in some circumstances.

I am awed by the nature of the cosmos on the large scale, and at the smaller scale by the fact that my DNA cvontains much about the history of living things - and in every cell. What a delight to have been born in an age where investigstions proceed at a rapid pace, and when information is so readily accessible.

James, you are by no means alone in your concerns about what you call the EPC church. I spent 60 years in conservative evangelical circles, but have moved on in my thinking such that I am breaking free from the constraints that have bound me for so long. I now call myself a Progressive Christian, and my centre is the life, teaching and example of Jesus. There are many others like me around the country, and some of us have joined Progressive Chritianity Network Britain (www.pcnbritain.org.uk).

I like you James am irked by creationism, and perhaps particularly by young-earth creationism. But followers are welcome to their views so long as they do not try to proselytise me. The sad thing is that so much time can be spent trying to disprove evolution, that no time is spent revelling in the wonders of our tiny world in this unspeakably immense universe.
John Burrows (Guest)29/03/2011 10:00
Part of the problem is the failure of the more Protestant forms of Christianity to distinguish between what is "de fide" (beliefs without which you cannot call yourself a Christian, "de eccelsiae" (the beliefs and practices of mainstream Christianity) and "things indifferent". Whether you accept Darwin's theories or not you are still a Christian, and Christians worldwide accept both views; so it is a "thing indifferent".
Without the structures and restraints of a a belief in the Church Universal,a wholly independent church can so easily succumb to the black-and-white views of a leader. That is why I remain a Charismatic, Evangelical, Catholic in the Church of England.